welcome to another episode of cloud

unplugged we have quite a varied set of

stories this week we've got um

The Trump administration invested in

quantum computing.

We'll kind of come on to that,

but basically they're getting shares,

investing in these companies,

not just offering grants.

We've got Google,

who does a bit of a joint venture

on their TPUs as a data center,

which we'll come on to.

Google suspended Railway's account,

causing an outage for Railway Paz service.

Singapore has got a floating data centre,

or is about to.

There was a bit of a weird,

interesting thing with Waymo,

which is one of my random stories,

and another bit of a random story about

robots that you've got,

which we'll obviously save to the very

end.

But let's get cracking on the old quantum

because this is not something I talk much

about in general because, well,

because I just actually don't understand

it.

So I don't really have strong opinions on

it.

But generally speaking,

them investing in quantum,

so I think that's what Trump was

announcing,

like there was a Biden act that was

set up called the CHIPS Act.

like,

two hundred and eighty billion dollars of

investment.

I think there were grants, though,

not necessarily investments.

They were obviously just granting out the

money for basically more around the

silicon industry or semiconductor

industry.

The Trump administration, though,

changed the model because it's, you know,

the old Trumpo.

He wants something back in return.

Nothing's for free.

And he

now gets equity basically so they're

investing all these different companies um

i think they've liked an ibm global

foundries d wave quantum uh regetti etc

dirac so they're kind of spreading

their bets.

So it looks like from an investment

perspective,

into lots and lots of quantum computing

organizations to see which one wins.

And that's kind of just quite an

interesting thing that they're deciding is

the way to go probably,

I'm guessing globalization,

I don't know what you think around it,

but the fight against China,

maybe or other states and trying to get

their first as a dominant power,

but what's your take?

So before I start,

I have to say this famous quote from

a professor from Stanford.

He's teaching a class on quantum physics.

And the first lecture when he starts,

he says, at this moment in time,

I'm the only person in this room who

doesn't fully understand quantum.

But at the end of this course,

I promise you,

none of us will understand quantum

physics.

So when you say you don't understand

quantum, there's a famous professor.

You can check this on YouTube.

He talks about it.

You understand it.

I believe you're like pretty quantumed up.

Quantum.

Yeah, it was injected in my veins.

So quantum computing, of course,

it's been since we've been growing up.

I know it's way before your time, John.

Since we've been growing up,

it's been an older hoo-ha about how

quantum can change computing instead of

like bits zero and one.

You can have various states and you can

interlink these qubits and they can

process things quicker,

which I don't know if you're aware.

john uh a lot of work has been

done in machine learning as well trying to

see if on quantum computing machine

learning algorithms can be much more

efficient than gpus so perhaps that's

something you know the rage is all about

ai at the moment

Perhaps there's something in the future,

maybe the administration is betting that

in future it's going to,

whenever the technology is ready,

it will accelerate whatever we're doing.

Because right now the silicon and most of

the chips,

they're coming from Taiwan and GPUs are

coming from USA.

So perhaps the Trump administration backed

by, I'm pretty sure it's,

I don't know too much,

but if it's backed by anybody behind that,

I think they're trying to invest in it.

So if and when quantum computing

becomes huge they will have a advantage on

other companies right because if a

government has a stake in a company they

can control it this yeah private could

like right now if you let's look at

anthropic and open ai they can do whatever

they want they can they can say this

model that does the best programming

nobody will get it

Exactly,

and that's why we can't really talk about

this anymore, Salman.

So let's move on to another story because,

no,

I can't disclose a share's ownership in my

company,

but I do think we need to move

on to another news article.

I'm just obviously joking.

But, yeah,

you're absolutely spot on on the influence

they can yield on these companies.

But also, I guess, you know, it's...

could argue, I mean,

everyone says it's a bit cheesy thing to

say or a bit of a standard thing

to say,

but it is a bit of an arms

race because technology is the thing being

used almost in warfare from drones through

to obviously just psychological warfare

and cyber-based warfare.

So

To want to get ahead,

that's where they seem to be investing.

And I think you're spot on on that

actually being able to control to an

extent those companies because you're

investing in them is a move in itself.

Bit of a conflict of interest,

one might say, but yeah.

might be the right thing for the citizens

right because now you control it it

doesn't rely on a private board of members

to be like oh we'll decide what we

what we're going to do at some to

some extent the government will have to

have an agreement and what needs to happen

in these companies so yeah as you said

let's just leave that there yeah marxist

over there i didn't realize

uh giving you both sides of the argument

john that's what yeah yeah yeah but when

we've got anyway our flights of russia's

coming up now so should we uh uh

yeah so uh do you want to talk

about um i guess because that's exhausted

our knowledge of quantum that's all we've

got on that space so uh shall we

move on to the floating data center in

singapore this is quite an interesting i

think i think you know about this

Yeah, picture this, John.

Picture this.

You walk onto the beachfront.

You expect to see the water crashing onto

the shores,

the nice sound that you want to see.

You turn to your left and you see

a floating city,

not just any floating city,

a warehouse that's there,

that's capable of consuming twenty five

megawatts of power at any given instant.

That is a situation that's going to be

in Singapore because Singapore has so,

there's so many restrictions on land.

There's not enough space.

There's a company called Capo who decided

to build a data center next to the

sea.

I mean,

it's not too far from the shore.

It's quite close to the sea.

And it uses seawater and sits on seven

and a half thousand square meter of ocean.

That's huge area,

seven and a half thousand.

square meter it took them a long time

to get an approval for the proposal but

it will go live in and you know

it will go live in and uh of

course there's some logistics that needs

to be sorted out which we can talk

about in a second um but uh this

is what's happened of course there's some

other companies who've done this to some

extent in the past but you know what

is your take on that john

I don't really know.

I mean, it seems a bit dystopian,

I've got to admit,

as in it's not an image, you know.

I wouldn't be, like,

wanting to fly to Singapore because I want

to look at the beautiful sight of a

floating data centre.

And also,

it just ecologically does kind of concern

me a little bit if you're using the

SIFI.

I don't know exactly how the technology,

as in how they call and what impact

that has.

cause any actual environmental impact?

Do they actually know that?

Or they're just, you know,

I don't really know what the ramifications

are on this type of approach,

but do you know much about that,

like ecologically?

Yeah, they've done,

they've done feasibility studies,

of course, you know, and let's not forget,

let's not forget.

This is, yes,

this is like one of the biggest data

centers that's going to be on the sea.

But we already do some stuff out in

the ocean, you know, you have oil rigs,

right?

And you have, you have the wind turbines,

they're all there.

So

to some extent,

some of this issue has been solved.

And the power consumption of this data

center is kind of similar to a big

offshore oil rig in the first place

anyway.

So they have done some studies.

But there's been ecological studies on

those, haven't they?

You know, the impact,

environmental impacts on those is quite

high and significant.

So adding to them feels wrong to me.

But, you know, I don't know, like,

a technology from a advancement

perspective it's impressive and also to be

built to be able to build it so

quick it's insane to be able to say

you're going live in twenty twenty eight

with it it's like mental isn't it to

have all that figured out yeah they've

been added since twenty nineteen with the

design and feasibility studies

uh but yeah of course there's going to

be ecological impact but singapore doesn't

really have too much option in terms of

land space yeah they don't really have

that much land and of course as always

i know sovereignty is is a big topic

i know we talked about it as well

in the podcast last time around singapore

is trying to they're at the they're at

the cutting edge as well of technology so

because they don't have that in space

they're like okay maybe we can go to

the sea and then also there are people

do talk about this instead of using water

like fresh water or consumable water

perhaps they can use sea water and that's

the plan to cool uh the data centers

and these data centers do require a lot

of cooling and um

Yeah, so it is an interesting one.

We'll watch out for this.

And if it works economically,

because there's not those land constraints

for Singapore,

do you even care if your data center

is in the middle of a desert,

is on the sea?

Of course, just like other ventures,

most of the data centers have their eco

rating.

We'll probably find out what the eco

rating for this is.

yeah it's it's an interesting space and

you know because they don't have that much

land space they've gone to this hopefully

hopefully though i know twenty twenty

eight i'm looking forward to it hopefully

it'll be smooth sailing because there will

be of course salt corrosion storms

resilience they need to handle that also

power logistics yes the power needs to

come back and forth still

What people are saying is,

what Singapore is saying,

the future of cloud is floating.

And you could say... Yeah,

but why not do the building?

It does feel like, you know,

from a construction perspective and

thermodynamics perspective and heating and

things like that,

but the buildings that they're building,

you know,

and I know NVIDIA has done this,

that's what we were talking about last

time,

about their investment on turning your

home into a bit of a mini data

centre,

but it does kind of feel like that

is probably the right... I mean,

if you're thinking about optimisation

of...

infrastructure power um trying to create a

bit of a symbiotic relationship between

compute and heating your home or etc etc

then maybe you want to go down that

direction anyway and get into the housing

market or somehow manage for the

governments to

weave that in as a strategy so that

actually you've got more distributed

compute that isn't then taking up more

space on top of the buildings that are

already being built does feel like a

better strategy than building

more things that require more power um to

then run things that humans are running

anyway if you see what i mean so

it's like you're basically running the

same things as other people request so

yeah put it maybe in the homes or

put it in the offices or you know

Yeah, actually, spot on, John.

There's some companies here in Europe.

There's a company,

I forgot the name of it.

We can probably put in the show notes

later.

They go to leisure centers and swimming

pools and find space there to put their

racks

because of the water recycling that needs

to go in and whatnot,

because they have that space,

they have this is going on.

But the problem with this is distributed

brings in way more challenges.

Right.

And also space again becomes a bit of

an issue.

But this is not new, by the way,

John, in twenty twenty four.

And even before there's a company in USA

called Nautilus Data Technologies,

they've done a similar thing in

California.

They have a six and a half megawatt,

kind of half the power of what this

is going to be,

data center that is in California.

But they're selling it because they want

to move away from this kind of stuff.

So, yeah, hopefully, you know,

it will be smooth sailing for Singapore

and they'll sort out all the issues with

the floating data centers,

with storm resilience and corrosion.

And then you can say the future of

the cloud is floating and sky is no

longer the limit.

maybe the ocean is perhaps you know that's

that's it that's what happened i love uh

i do love to swim next to a

data center it's one of my favorite things

to do to be honest um it's really

just a really nice experience you should

try it so um that's a little a

little thing for people to try if they

really want an amazing experience go and

swim next to a data center nothing can

beat such a beautiful sight than swimming

next to data center um but talking about

data centers

We're talking about the joint venture of

Google with Blackstone, a PE company,

private equity,

who has invested with Google, I think,

five billion or something for the TPU,

so their own chips.

I guess they're kind of going toe to

toe now in the video.

and now trying to resell obviously their

compute in a different way by obviously

offering their chips kind of essentially

reselling their chips um but yeah kind of

a little bit different i guess also quite

interesting for them google to offset

their capex spend um obviously it's not

coming out of their pockets directly we

now got investment in there as a joint

venture which obviously takes away that

capex expenditure i think um not to go

a bit on a tangent but

reason for all the layoffs which i won't

go into too much it's not part of

the news story but i think meta announced

eight thousand and et cetera et cetera was

to do with offsetting the capex spend so

they say that they've all started to

invest in ai um so anyway what do

you think about the the tpus we have

to kind of discuss this a bit before

but what's your opinion on this move

Yeah,

we spoke about the AWS move as well

with Tranium chips.

Because as we spoke about last time,

a couple of podcasts ago,

make sure to check it out on our

channel, wherever you get your podcasts.

Because NVIDIA has such a stronghold on

training, producing, and using AI chips,

the GPUs that they have,

So AWS and also Google,

they have their own chips which work

differently to how GPUs work.

TPUs work different to how GPUs work.

TPUs are very good at doing the matrix

calculations because GPUs initially

started as multipurpose, right?

But this is very specific to TPU.

And the problem right now for Google and

AWS is they want their market share

because people do use

these tpu chips but only exclusively in

cloud you can actually john i don't even

come across this there's a little dongle

you can buy that you can connect it

to your laptop and use the tpus otherwise

you just have to use in google cloud

you don't know you don't have any other

option right but what they're trying to do

with this is kind of compete with nvidia

and say oh we'll give this they're called

the eight t and the eight i the

training and the inference chips

that they are going to sell to end

users so you can actually get that chip

and plug it into your machine.

Because the reason why Nvidia is so

popular with their chips, of course,

they've been in the game for way longer,

is because when you were younger,

you buy a GPU connected to your machine

and you start playing games.

and it's the same like you have to

install kudo on your on your machine for

it to work anywhere in the first place

right so people are in the ecosystem so

and yeah it's interesting of course it's a

big venture with uh with with uh

blackstone one of the big private equity

firms and they've been in infrastructure

business for a long time and

uh data center they actually own

warehouses i don't know if you know this

john blackstone is the the biggest owner

of warehouses in the whole world so they

are i think they're quite they've got

quite a lot of assets haven't they they're

like an asset-based business uh in pe i

think yeah

Yeah.

And I think if yeah,

if if people could Jax is that Google's

equivalent of CUDA, which is Nvidia,

of course, you know,

it's not as popular as CUDA,

the technology that allows you to use GPUs

to submit training and whatnot.

But I think the good thing is that

the end users hopefully will

We'll profit from this because things

might get cheaper,

but they don't usually get cheaper.

It'll probably be more expensive,

but you'll have options.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

I guess all the optimization with CUDA,

though,

all that that's gone on around NVIDIA

chips to optimize for model training and

things like that and to kind of leverage,

I guess,

specific kernel libraries really for the

chips themselves,

all will have to be potentially

redone or at least because obviously the

tpu usage is way less at the moment

than obviously using the video and gpu so

um be an interesting thing to see if

the investment as in do people get on

board with it do people start to want

to uh rework some of the optimization code

that already exists is that investment

going to happen in people's time being i

guess

Who knows,

are people just going to want to move

forward to more abstracted things and

leverage those rather than like getting

low level again?

uh yeah i don't know i mean if

you know if if it gives you value

if it's cheaper for you to do and

you're already in google people still

people do use tpus of course but not

the same yeah that is just really makes

sense percentage wise it's small

comparatively it's in the video it's very

very small yeah um yeah but yeah it's

a it's an interesting space it is it

is uh talking about google um

know a bit controversial but i don't know

if you know railway it's a bit like

the sale railway kind of like past based

heroku-esque inspired style businesses

where you can host applications you don't

need to worry about the infrastructure i

think it obviously runs in google behind

the scenes of creating an abstraction over

it um to make it really simple for

developers obviously just host simple

things um quite quickly

And I believe Google just decided to

suspend Railway's account,

which meant that they went offline

completely.

So the whole of Railway had an outage.

All their customers had an outage.

And then after they kind of restored the

service.

So I think the account was suspended and

then it kind of managed to get it

back up.

Then it had to enable all the services

again.

Then GitHub,

obviously because it had a bit of a

backlog of integration from GitHub into

Railway,

obviously doing the webhooks and things

like that probably as triggers into

Railway to maybe like build images and

push them and things like that from the

webhook.

That started to obviously rate limit

against Railway.

And so then that was another issue.

And so I think it took a really

long time overall for everything to kind

of come back and restore the service.

And I think what was funny,

was,

I don't know if it's the CEO or

the CTO, one of them from Huawei,

kind of blamed themselves a little bit on

basically not having a multi-cloud style

strategy and then obviously backing into

Google as a whole,

which is an interesting stance to take

rather than being like,

don't suspend an account for no reason on

Google's side, which is, you know,

but anyway.

a little bit mad that you could just

go offline.

For those reasons.

Yeah, I can't I can't getting suspended.

I'm not.

I'm not sure what the internal processes

of account getting suspended.

I wonder

AI decided to delete an account and

there's no human approval before you

delete an account.

Do you think an MCP for account deletion

got called and made a little mistake or

something?

They got called.

I don't know.

I'm not saying anything.

But yeah, I mean,

the weird thing is accounts getting

deleted is nothing new.

We've seen before.

Some of the companies have been impacted

by it.

uh but uh this one is a little

bit weird for me and i and i

understand what the ceo or the cto of

railway was saying that perhaps we should

have a multi-cloud strategy for this but

then there's a lot of investment that you

need to do yeah you know it's it's

huge it's it's like it's basically like oh

let me just spin up my also you

you could go even further i'll just have

my own data center on the sea

floating right so you can go even like

where do you stop so uh i think

this this this really is uh you know

railway should not be too harsh on itself

of course there's a lot of revenue loss

that they were saying i think million

dollars an hour or something which is

quite a lot that's terrible um but google

yeah that's what i mean

it was an x i don't know how

true that is it was an x so

was it people people are saying there's

million dollars uh an hour or something or

a day i can't fully remember which is

quite a lot that's a lot of revenue

though if that's true it's a lot of

revenue but you can imagine people have to

do demos or you know whatever you you

have work that's happening which is kind

of kind of tricky so uh i think

we need to get an understanding from

google on what are their terms of how

they delete

I haven't seen a post-mortem report yet,

but it'll be interesting to see that.

So it is a bit of a shame

because you expect, just like electricity,

the cloud to be there.

Well,

you don't expect your account to get

suspended.

I mean,

you expect potentially something going

wrong technically.

SLAs, yeah, downtime.

Database has gone down.

Database has gone down.

No worries.

There's an SLA, whatever the SLA is.

Oh, Kubernetes cluster has gone down.

Sorry, my bad.

Kubernetes never goes down.

Yeah, I mean,

you need to take that back immediately.

That is a really ridiculous thing to just

go out and say.

What the hell?

I can't get it deleted.

That's unfortunate.

That's unfortunate.

That's what you should post as a response

to Railway.

A very empathetic, that's unfortunate.

It is bad.

I'll answer the random story.

I don't know if you've heard about this,

about the Waymo taxis.

There's actually something in the UK about

this as well, but not quite the same,

where

It may have been people in Wales,

you know,

where they were getting woken up at night

by the robo taxis going up and down

their street repeatedly at like a certain

time.

But anyway,

this story is about Waymo taxis taking

over a cul-de-sacs.

So they're just starting to invade

basically cul-de-sacs in neighborhoods.

I think this is in Atlanta.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And they,

no one's really admitted as to why they're

doing it,

but I think it was something to do

with obviously some algorithmic thing that

ends up being pretty much the same answer

for all of the way modes,

whatever's calculating.

So they end up kind of going to

the colder stacks.

I think it's more to do with during

pauses,

like where less busy places are to kind

of park up until obviously a request comes

in or something like that.

But anyway,

There was like,

fifty cars that came through between six

and seven AM.

Can you imagine that?

Fifty Waymo cars arriving in your

cul-de-sac with nobody in them.

You'd think that something like,

I don't know,

iRobot level stuff was about to go down,

wouldn't you?

You'd probably lock the doors and close

your curtains or something.

But yeah,

and then I think they tried to do

different things.

So then like people are like, oh God,

we need to just stop.

And so they put like a, a,

a children at play sign up on the

road.

Right.

To try and like,

to make them stop coming down.

Cause obviously they'd seen and be like,

oh, right.

There's children.

And that just caused a massive traffic jam

because then they were trying to reverse

and they're all coming down.

They all got stuck.

Um,

and they're basically created a jam and

jammed up the entire coldest app.

And so they had to remove the sign,

but, um, yeah.

Waymo's.

Waymo's going a bit crazy.

Driverless taxis.

Driverless taxis.

Have you done a driverless taxi?

Actually, I almost did it in,

funnily enough, in Atlanta.

I was in Atlanta for KubeCon last year.

I almost did it.

But when I checked the app,

it wasn't available.

It was like, fifteen minutes away.

And I was like, well,

I could walk in eight minutes.

So I don't need to take a taxi.

But it looks a bit surreal.

I think I probably will do it for

this podcast anyway the next time.

They are in London now,

so next time we're in London,

we should just take a Waymo taxi.

I don't think I've seen any in London.

Is it Waymo itself, or is it robo-taxis?

I'm not sure, actually.

I think they're coming soon.

Or maybe we can go to Atlanta, John,

and check out the cul-de-sac.

Because London would be a very hard place

to...

Because it's not on a grid system like

most US-based cities are.

We've got all really old,

crazy little streets,

especially in the central,

like the city itself.

There's loads of back lanes and weird

little one-way things.

It's like, I just don't know why,

but I'm a bit cynical of whether it

can do a good job on driving through

those crazy streets.

But we'll see.

As long as there's no cul-de-sacs,

I think they'll be fine.

Yeah, well,

so long as you don't get fifty outside

your house.

Yeah, fifty outside your house.

It's not really worth looking for.

What about you and your actual robots?

So, Bob, Frank, Gary and Rose.

Four humanoid robots.

There's a company called Figure AI.

Figure AI is a company.

They have a humanoid robot.

F.O.O.T.

is what it's called.

so what they decided to do they said

oh we need to because one of the

issues in warehouses is handling packages

of different shapes and sizes because this

is a pro long issue that's been out

there for from vision point of view and

also handling point of view the people

have done a lot of work with different

type of attachments to

actual robots not humanoids but what we've

realized is the human hands are the best

type of attachments you can have to handle

various types of boxes so this company is

based in california san jose

what they decided to do is to give

these humanoids a a human face they gave

themselves this name they actually just

stuck the sticker on and it was a

live stream in which this robot would

stand and the in front of the conveyor

belt which you can watch and various boxes

will come one off the other and the

robot only has a couple of seconds to

just sort out the boxes like put them

in the right way if they're upside down

put it straight just so it can be

scanned

down the down wherever it's going next

right so there's about the robots were

supposed to work for eight hours in as

a group one person is one sorry not

person but bob is standing an interesting

little accidental slipper though isn't it

what's i know

AI is getting to me, John.

That's what I'm telling you.

Bigger AI is getting to me.

So Bob would stand and sort out the

packages.

And here's the interesting part.

When Bob is running out of battery,

because you run out of battery,

it will go back to where Frank, Gary,

and Rose are standing and communicate with

them with facial gestures that, mate,

it's your turn.

And then the other robot will come in

and start doing the sorting.

And they were supposed to do it only

for eight hours,

but it was going so well.

And the company said there was no

intervention from their staff.

was doing so well they let they left

the stream to run for eighty one hours

and they managed to sort a hundred

thousand orders correctly now what does

correctly mean and can you can they do

way more than just that i know they

were just doing sorting but there's

nothing about packaging there's nothing

about any of that stuff right or is

the label even correct but

What they showed is that robots can work

together without the need for them to send

messages to each other and just use visual

cameras and figure out what to do.

So basically, the thing also,

naming them Bob, Gary, Frank, and Rose,

it makes it as a...

You know, it's better live stream,

basically, because in live stream,

you need some interaction from people and

say, yeah, go, Bob.

You can see it like, you know,

it's interesting, though,

about the naming.

Is it like this is going to sound

quite a bizarre thing to say,

but it it shows a level of class

system that they've done on the work that

they were doing because they didn't call

them Joffrey or Tarquin or right.

So of all the names they've chosen,

They've chosen specific names like Bob,

Frank, Gary and Rose.

You know,

they could have gone with Chelsea.

They could have gone with, you know,

I don't know.

I've run out of Quinton.

Maybe that's another name.

And maybe... They sound like US...

It doesn't sound like US names.

They sound like UK names as well,

don't they, really?

I mean, I know, obviously,

universal names, but they're like...

ones that I would expect to hear in

the UK.

Here's the thing, though.

They did this.

Eighty one hour shift.

supposed to only work for eight hours so

bob gary frank and rose didn't get any

overtime paid right this is what people

have been telling us about robots they can

do this work without overtime or the need

for an hr department to figure out and

handle this right so this is i know

it's it's it's not too random right this

is this is a bit insane

yes of course there's a lot of work

that's left that needs to be done for

you know logistics but it is well what's

crazy about a little bit is on one

side you've got like the kind of general

intelligence movement which is taking like

you know developers coding like tertiary

sector stuff you know it requires like a

specific um skill computing in general

And everyone's like, oh, you know,

we're all going to have to do like

manual jobs.

We need to go back maybe into like

being electricians or other things.

And then you hear this, you know,

and you're like, well,

you can't even do that.

You've got the bloody robots coming up.

So you're like,

I don't know what we're all doing.

You're like, well, I don't know.

Maybe I'll become a taxi driver.

You've got fifty Waymos in your cul-de-sac

with no drivers in.

You can't work in warehouses.

You can't write code anymore.

I don't know what you turn to.

I don't know where you go,

what you do,

what the job market is going to look

like to you.

I have an answer for you.

Right.

Do it.

Tell me.

The answer is quantum AI Kubernetes.

That's the answer.

Quantum AI Kubernetes.

Kubernetes is...

I mean,

I don't know where Kubernetes will fit in

to the future of quantum,

but that'll be an interesting one.

But it is a bit mad because I

wouldn't have thought the robotics side

would have progressed quite as quick.

I know they've been doing all the

omniverse stuff again with the video on

all the simulations for robotics for a

really long time, but they can just bob.

I mean,

if you had to ask one of them,

to pack something for you,

who would you choose out of Bob, Frank,

Gary and Rose?

Which one would you choose?

I saw Bob on the stream.

I think Bob was like the main protagonist

for this.

Right.

Bob got,

I almost called it he as well, right?

Look at this.

They're playing, figure it out, he got me.

Yeah, it's got me.

So you think Bob was the ringleader?

Bob was the ringleader.

Bob did most of the sorting.

And when Bob went, I'll figure out,

I'll find out how many hours.

But I think I'll go with Bob.

Because...

there's a there's a skate on uh uh

i can't remember where it is there's a

surgeon who comes to speak to somebody and

like you know he says hi my name

is bob and i'm your surgeon so bob

uh has a connotation of being something

trustworthy i think that's why they chose

these names right perhaps yeah interesting

i just remember bob um god what was

this fight club do you remember fight club

I'll leave that there because when you

research Bob from Fight Club,

it's got its own comedy value to it,

I guess, when you have an amazing movie.

But anyway, cool.

So I guess we have covered most of

the stories.

We'll be back next week.

probably more on ai we might have to

try and find something a little bit less

ai i mean it's hard nowadays which is

insane to cover stories that aren't all

about ai but we'll we'll do our best

to try and see what's going on in

the news to kind of balance it out

a bit uh to not make it so

ai heavy but that seems to be where

everything's going isn't it yeah we'll

find something john we'll find something

we'll find something but anyway yeah

thanks for listening and we shall speak to

you next week cheers